1. If you are NOT an experienced breeder please read through this... (there are directions for inexperienced breeders below***, keep reading...) "print it out if you'd like" THEN, if this seems to make sense to you, call me and we'll talk about breeding and puppies. And/or if you've bred other breeds please call me. 2. If you're already a Neapolitan Mastiff/Mastino Napoletano Breeder and want a puppy please bear with me and read through this: A. FEMALE Puppies: If you're already an established breeder then I will consent to a female puppy going to another state on a CO-Ownership with a "puppy back" only if the breeder/buyer has an acceptable male OR agrees to the use of one of my males for the first breeding with two puppies back. However - an arrangement of a trade is also possible depending on what bloodlines you have. After obligations are met, the buyer will receive full ownership. If the puppy turns out NOT to be breeding quality, the buyer and the original breeder will work together to find the perfect pet home for the puppy. The money gained from the sale up to the original selling price will be refunded to the buyer. Any monies received above the original selling price will go the breeder unless there were special expenses due to health reasons. Then these monies will also be refunded to the buyer if there is any extra monies received above the original selling price. The buyer will not be guaranteed that the puppy will be of breeding quality. The buyer assumes the risk. B. Male Puppies: As of right now, any males sold on Co-Ownerships must stay in our area (within 2 hours driving distance) with the intention of using them in our breeding program unless you are an established ethical breeder in another state who I can trust with acceptable females. We must stay in contact, and maintain a reasonable Co-Ownership until all obligations are met (could mean breeding rights or a puppy back, a trade, etc, it depends on the dog, the bloodlines, the buyer and the situation). After obligations are met, the buyer will receive full ownership. After obligations are met, the buyer will receive full ownership. If the puppy turns out NOT to be breeding quality, the buyer and the original breeder will work together to find the perfect pet home for the puppy. The money gained from the sale up to the original selling price will be refunded to the buyer. Any monies received above the original selling price will go the breeder unless there were special expenses due to health reasons. Then these monies will also be refunded to the buyer if there is any extra monies received above the original selling price. The buyer will not be guaranteed that the puppy will be of breeding quality. The buyer assumes the risk. If we've already got the breedings that we want from a certain male or frozen semen from him, he may be sold with full breeding rights. (or as a neutered pet to a pet home). *** To inexperienced or first time breeders of the Neapolitan Mastiff: The following is also meant for people thinking of getting into breeding, "making some big bucks" and have never bred a litter before and want to buy a breeding quality puppy. HA HA! Making money on this breed is impossible unless you're already wealthy or well off, and have alot of dogs. You must have another means of monetary support. This is NOT a breed to START OUT ON. A. They are not easy to breed. B. Intact Females: It's hard to keep intact females together during heat cycles without them trying to fight each other. They may be the best of friends during other times of the year, but during the heat cycles they compete for dominance as they would in a pack situation for the "right" to breed. And, when one goes into heat, they usually ALL go into heat. I love my girls to death and they respect me as "pack leader" but they certainly "try" my patience during their heat cycles. It's like a bunch of bitchy girls/women having PMS all at once! In most cases they all have to be kept seperate from one another during their heat cycles to keep them safe. So, you need ALOT of extra kennel space or extra rooms. C. Intact Males: Some are sweety pies without any trouble but alot of testosterone can cause some problems between males. Teen-age males will challenge you for dominance. The boys do not always eat right when the girls are in heat and they can get skinny unless you prepare extra food for them (raw or cooked meats such as steak, cheeseburgers, chicken) It can cost alot of extra money to maintain your male at the weight he should be at. D. Most breedings will have to be AI's, surgicals or trancervicals. This can cost from $250 to $600 or more depending on the procedure and progesterone testing. If you're good, you should be able to collect your male dog and inseminate your female artificially or HELP your LARGE male to mate with the female naturally. You cannot be squeamish and you must be able to talk about matings of dogs and bitches without feeling self-concious. It's like being an obstetrician or gynecologist. You must learn about progesterone testing and semen counts. And in some cases the transport of fresh chilled or frozen semen. E. IN most cases, the newborn puppies cannot be left alone with the Mom because even the BEST Mom can fall asleep and roll over onto one of her puppies and suffocate them accidently. SOMEONE needs to be with the puppies constantly for the first week. A whelping box is a plus and at our house, a PLAYPEN made for humans is invaluable to me so that I KNOW the puppies are safe if I leave the room to do other things for short periods of time. Correct temperature of the puppies must be maintained. MY FAVORITE WHELPING SITE: http://www.debbiejensen.com/ On the left-hand side of her page is an index of all that you need to know. Go to this site - it's very helpful. It will show you all the stuff that has to be done and all the stuff that you need. From our contract: Are you willing to honor a contract stating that you'll never sell the dog to anyone else unless you have the breeder's permission? Are you willing to honor a contract stating to never resell the puppy or dog as a broker or to a puppy mill or to a pet shop? Are you willing to honor a contract stating that you'll never breed or allow to be "accidentally bred", a puppy/dog sold with Limited Registration? Are you willing to honor a contract stating that you'll never crossbreed this dog and that if it's bred with the breeder's permission, it'll only be bred to another AKC or FCI registered Neapolitan Mastiff? Penalties: If this puppy/dog is bred without written consent of the seller, the buyer agrees to pay $5,000 to the seller within 3 months of the litters birth. If this puppy/dog is re-sold to a puppy mill or other breeding operation, the buyer agrees to pay $10,000 to the seller within 3 months of the sale. We have added this clause to our contract as a deterrent - not because we are "money hungry". We are not in the business of supplying "Breeding Dogs" to the world. There are too many "Rescue Dogs" out there. We only enter into Co-Ownerships with breeders who keep track of and take responsibility for their puppies for the rest of the puppies' lives. We will prosecute. Why do we have contracts and why Co-Ownerships? I am terrified that a puppy or dog that leaves here might end up with a puppy miller or an unethical breeder. This is why I try to be careful and pick and choose those who seem to live up to my expectations. If we were all ethically and morally healthy and honest we would not have to go through all this B.S. - But because the world is the way it is we need contracts and we need to be careful. On the other hand, no one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes. I try to connect with people who learn from, acknowledge and admit their mistakes. I relate to people who love to learn and are open and honest. I'm not perfect and I do not expect other people to be perfect but I will not form relationships with people who lie to and/or cheat others or behave like idiots or puppy millers. I only form relationships, business or personal, with people who are ethical. I prefer people who will do what they say they will do. I associate with people who love and take good care of their dogs. I do not need to be your best friend but owning a puppy with us or buying a puppy from us means forming a trusting relationship. You must accept mentoring if you have little or no experience. If we Co-Own a female and you have little or no experience the female will come back to us to be bred. If you want to learn, come to our house while your female is being bred and whelping a litter. Not only mentoring from me because I do not know or ever will know “it all" but to be mentored by other knowledgeable breeders and owners of the Neapolitan Mastiff breed as well. AND - if you are going into breeding for the money you are in for a big shock. It's hard to make money in this breed. They're very expensive to breed. They're very expensive to maintain. Don't "go into it" for the money. We are not in the business of supplying breeding dogs to the world. We breed for us first. We sell puppies on a breeding Co-Ownership only if we think they have potential and will fit into our breeding plans for the future. After the contract and/or obligations are filled according to each individual situation and contract, the full ownership of the dog will be turned over to you if that's what we have agreed upon. Sometimes that may mean that the dog will be spayed/neutered. Or, if you're a qualified breeder in our eyes and act in an ethical and intelligent manner then we may sign over the full future breeding rights to you in the future. In either case we follow the contract. We're very careful. It makes no difference if the puppy is being sold as a pet or as a breed/show potential. If we don't know you it will take weeks or months to gain our confidence and then the level of trust must still be proven. Most buyers contact the breeder before a litter is born - this is why we announce the breedings ahead of time. It gives the buyer time to research the breed and bloodlines. It gives us time to get to know each other a little bit better. It gives us time to establish a relationship. It takes time to build trust. If you want to breed and you've never bred before - GOOD LUCK! I mean that sarcastically because it's a very hard dog to breed (hard to breed GOOD dogs). Anyone can put two dogs together and breed them and get crap. If you want to do it right - FIND A MENTOR. We mentor people. Other breeders mentor people. Contact lots of breeders. I will not not sell a "Potential Breeding" female puppy to someone who's never bred a litter. You must live within 2 hours driving distance if you're getting a female for potential show and/or breeding purposes and have never bred a litter. The female will then come back to us for the breeding and then back to us later if they're pregnant for the whelping and raising of the litter. This all depends on , of course, IF the puppy/dog has actually matured to proper breeding quality. If you're already an established breeder then I will consent to the female going to another state on a CO-Ownership with a puppy back only if the breeder/buyer has an acceptable male or agrees to the use of one of my males for the first breeding with 2 puppies back. I must see a copy of your Puppy Contract. If you don't have one I will not enter into a Co-Ownership with you. If you have bred a litter or bred other breeds of dogs then my confidence level in you might be a little higher. We only breed AKC (CKC in Canada, FCI in other countries) Registered dogs. If you have UKC or other registered dogs, I would prefer that you were working towards AKC registered dogs. In our contracts we state specifically that any puppies/dogs that we sell to you can only be bred to AKC Registered dogs. (CKC in Canada or FCI in other countries) |
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| My thoughts on "Show Potential" HERE |
1. Will Runestone Neapolitan Mastiffs sell you or guarantee you a "Breeding Quality" puppy?
NO! - these puppies will be referred to as "Potential Breeding Quality" when we talk about them and any or all our
dogs will only be referred to as pets in the contract because we expect them to be your pets first. They will be
the best we can pick for you and/or you can pick your own - but all at your own risk if you are thinking of breeding.
We do not guarantee "Breeding Quality". It's absurd. We/you will not know until these puppies are older what
they will mature into. All puppies being sold as pets but under consideration for showing and/or breeding will be
sold on Co-Ownerships Only. The Co-Ownership Contract gives us a little more control of the situation. While we
are both waiting for this puppy to grow, we'd like it if they will be your pet and you will love it and train it.
Hopefully you will show the puppy/dog but not everyone is "into" showing. I'm not a demanding person. I expect
certain obligations to be filled which will be discussed before hand and explained explicitly in the contract
designed for you and I on a case by case basis. Not every contract will be the same.
A puppy may look like "Potential Breeding quality" when you see it at 9 weeks old. Then, at 12 weeks old, 16 weeks
old, 6 months old, 12 months old, 16 months old, 18 months old, and 2-3 years old, it can and will look very
different. Some Neapolitan Mastiffs do not hit maturity until 3 years old. Others blossom rather early. When
you buy these guys, be prepared for ugly stages. Patience is a requirement in this breed. I have to remind myself
of that every time I look at a puppy or young adult in its "Ugly Stage". You will have to do the same thing.
If you want a guaranteed Breeding Quality Dog, BUY an adult who is already mature and/or proven. I cannot give
you any guarantees that a puppy will be the Breeding Quality dog that you (or I) want. I study the pedigrees, use
excellent breeding stock and go for it.
If it looks great as a puppy, hopefully it will continue on that path. We only use the best pedigrees and breeding
stock, but it's still a "wait and see" situation.
An older puppy or an adult dog would be a safer bet if you want more assurance of "Breeding Quality".
.
If it has a disqualifying fault when I sell it to you, it will be sold as a "pet only - non breeding" and AKC Limited
Registration, with the appropriate contract to have it spayed-neutered.
Note: If you become a breeder, you naturally get attached to some dogs and not others. If you fall in love with a
dog and it shouldn't be bred because of a serious fault, you must neuter/spay it. Don't breed it just because you
love it. You need to stay objective. Neuter/spay it and keep it for a pet.
Don't buy a puppy with the sole intention of breeding it. You won't know for sure until that dog is at least 16
months for females and 12-14 months for males and sometimes much longer.
Sometimes breeders will sell dogs that have been used in their breeding program once or twice and then sold to
another breeder for breeding purposes. We will only do this on a very limited basis. It is more likely that
we'd breed a dog and then sell it or place it as a pet. Sometimes we've chosen a puppy for ourselves or within a Co-
Ownership and it does not develop into Breeding Quality. Some dogs are then placed into LOVING pet homes. Not
all dogs will transfer to a new owner so easily. Others are very happy-go-lucky and transfer extremely well. This
is all done on a case by case basis.
That's all I can think of right now - call (763-742-3140) or email me if you have any questions.
I haven't covered everything and I'll be adding stuff from time to time.
Wendy Gieske
NO! - these puppies will be referred to as "Potential Breeding Quality" when we talk about them and any or all our
dogs will only be referred to as pets in the contract because we expect them to be your pets first. They will be
the best we can pick for you and/or you can pick your own - but all at your own risk if you are thinking of breeding.
We do not guarantee "Breeding Quality". It's absurd. We/you will not know until these puppies are older what
they will mature into. All puppies being sold as pets but under consideration for showing and/or breeding will be
sold on Co-Ownerships Only. The Co-Ownership Contract gives us a little more control of the situation. While we
are both waiting for this puppy to grow, we'd like it if they will be your pet and you will love it and train it.
Hopefully you will show the puppy/dog but not everyone is "into" showing. I'm not a demanding person. I expect
certain obligations to be filled which will be discussed before hand and explained explicitly in the contract
designed for you and I on a case by case basis. Not every contract will be the same.
A puppy may look like "Potential Breeding quality" when you see it at 9 weeks old. Then, at 12 weeks old, 16 weeks
old, 6 months old, 12 months old, 16 months old, 18 months old, and 2-3 years old, it can and will look very
different. Some Neapolitan Mastiffs do not hit maturity until 3 years old. Others blossom rather early. When
you buy these guys, be prepared for ugly stages. Patience is a requirement in this breed. I have to remind myself
of that every time I look at a puppy or young adult in its "Ugly Stage". You will have to do the same thing.
If you want a guaranteed Breeding Quality Dog, BUY an adult who is already mature and/or proven. I cannot give
you any guarantees that a puppy will be the Breeding Quality dog that you (or I) want. I study the pedigrees, use
excellent breeding stock and go for it.
If it looks great as a puppy, hopefully it will continue on that path. We only use the best pedigrees and breeding
stock, but it's still a "wait and see" situation.
An older puppy or an adult dog would be a safer bet if you want more assurance of "Breeding Quality".
.
If it has a disqualifying fault when I sell it to you, it will be sold as a "pet only - non breeding" and AKC Limited
Registration, with the appropriate contract to have it spayed-neutered.
Note: If you become a breeder, you naturally get attached to some dogs and not others. If you fall in love with a
dog and it shouldn't be bred because of a serious fault, you must neuter/spay it. Don't breed it just because you
love it. You need to stay objective. Neuter/spay it and keep it for a pet.
Don't buy a puppy with the sole intention of breeding it. You won't know for sure until that dog is at least 16
months for females and 12-14 months for males and sometimes much longer.
Sometimes breeders will sell dogs that have been used in their breeding program once or twice and then sold to
another breeder for breeding purposes. We will only do this on a very limited basis. It is more likely that
we'd breed a dog and then sell it or place it as a pet. Sometimes we've chosen a puppy for ourselves or within a Co-
Ownership and it does not develop into Breeding Quality. Some dogs are then placed into LOVING pet homes. Not
all dogs will transfer to a new owner so easily. Others are very happy-go-lucky and transfer extremely well. This
is all done on a case by case basis.
That's all I can think of right now - call (763-742-3140) or email me if you have any questions.
I haven't covered everything and I'll be adding stuff from time to time.
Wendy Gieske
- 6-23-08
| Info on CO-Owning HERE |
| Page Updated 2-24-11 |
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